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guest-ajalease

Wake up: Stop watching the NFL games. This is a business, not a social engineering or political platform. We do not need adult children--with the mentality of third graders--attempting to make a statement that is based on lies. Moreover, regional support for "your team" is crazy as these over paid entitled, excessively pampered, nitwits come from all areas of the nation. They are poor examples for our kids to follow.
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President Trump is right in scolding these children. After all, the President is the standard bearer for supporting our nation. Most of these marginally literate goons have no clue regarding our nation's history, its founding, or the social causes that they purport to represent. So, shut up and play ball while people are still dumb enough to watch.

LexHumana

Three strikes and you're out. First, the First Amendment is not applicable in this case, regardless of Trump's temper tantrums. The NFL is a private employer and does not receive government funding, and the First Amendment is therefore inapplicable to its actions. Second, the NLRA is not applicable in this case either. Section 7 of the NLRA grants the following protected right to all private-sector, non-supervisory employees: “…to engage in… concerted activities for the purpose of collective bargaining or other mutual aid and protection.” Employers may not “interfere with, restrain or coerce employees in the exercise of” the employee’s section 7 protected rights. However, this is applicable to workplace concerns, such as discussions on compensation, hours, working conditions, supervisors, and workplace policies. Speech regarding purely personal opinions that are not related to working conditions is generally not within the scope of section 7. For example, an employer is perfectly within their rights to restrict employees' abusive language towards customers, or calendars of scantily clad women in the office, or racist rants on Twitter. Finally, the argument that it violates the obligation to bargain with the player's union in good faith is only true if the matter is not already covered under the existing collective bargaining agreement. If the agreement gives the NFL the broad authority to regulate on-field behavior (which it does), then the matter is "covered by" the current agreement and does not have to be re-bargained over.

Andruze

If you can kneel down before God (and Adidas) then they should all kneel for the anthem.

guest-aaawwwmj in reply to Andruze

Viewers turn on the game to watch the game.
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Ticket holders buy tickets to watch the game.
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The average viewer/ticket buyer isn't that stupid.
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They see the hypocrisy of people who have been pampered since high school - some dodging rape/drug activities - complaining about
income inequality even though they make millions per year.
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I wonder if they will kneel for Jared Plesec.
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Cuyahoga County prosecutor, FBI to determine if shooting of Salvation Army worker, subsequent crime spree was racially motivated
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http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2017/12/cuyahoga_county_prosecu...
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BTW, the murder got life without parole.
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'63 minutes of mayhem': killer of Cleveland Salvation Army worker cursed Trump in Facebook Live after murder
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CLEVELAND, Ohio -- William T. Jones Jr. took less than a minute to plot and carry out the execution-style shooting of a uniformed Salvation Army worker he didn't know last December, then spent the next four minutes telling a witness why he did it.
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"F--k Trump," the 27-year-old screamed in the nearly four-minute video shot by a witness. "They're going to kill us all."
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The video panned from Jones, who for several minutes lay on the ground with his hands behind his back before he hopped up and declared that "LeBron [James] said we have to unite," to the body of Jared Plesec, whose life Jones had taken moments earlier with a Ruger 9mm.
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"A life for a life," Jones screamed, wide-eyed and fueled by adrenaline. "I did it fo y'all, man."
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http://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/index.ssf/2018/05/63_minutes_of_m...
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NSFTL
Regards

engrpas

The NFL can make whatever rules they want in the workplace. As for taking away players’ first amendment rights, that’s bogus - will they be arrested and sent to jail for expressing their views? No - the first amendment says that “the government” shall not make free speech illegal. It has no position on employers expressing their opinions while “on the clock”
When an employee insults some of their employer’s customers, the business not only has the right but the obligation to its owners to put a stop to that.
Having said that, I fully support the dissenters, and if they had any balls, they would resign en masse. Then they can say what they want without any legal impediment.

Sense Seeker

The whole 'Patriotism' thing is just as stupid as the nationalism that tore apart Europe last century. If they don't stop it, Americans are in for (more) rough times. And unfortunately, the rest of us, too.

guest-aaawwwmj in reply to Sense Seeker

The whole 'Patriotism' thing is just as stupid as the nationalism that tore apart Europe last century.
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Thanks to the EU,
"We're back, together again."
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzLQ9xmrzp0
Hall & Oates - Back Together Again
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(if we ignore the Poles, Italians, and Brits)
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The next tearing apart will come within each European nation state,
due to immigration and non-assimilation.
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NSFTL
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Sense Seeker in reply to guest-aaawwwmj

Despite all its shortcomings, the EU is still a beacon of hope and a great success. It has promoted democracy and the rule of law and created 70 years of peace and prosperity in a continent that had seen terrible wars in the centuries prior.
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But maybe you're right and narrow-minded, xenophobic patriotism, be it nationalism or tribalism on a smaller scale, will end the good times. People are short-sighted and history is not taught enough, or not critically enough. It is, after all, not important because it doesn't increase GDP.
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Blame immigration? That's nonsense. It's misinformation and xenophobia that are to blame. The Brits voting for Brexit were ill-informed of the facts, and the Poles and Hungarians are only just learning what it means to be independent. Like many African countries after they gained independence, they go through a phase in which the majority still refuses to take responsibility and use their brain instead of their gut. We all want to be free from the influence of others - until we realize how much we benefit from working together. The Brits are already learning that lesson. Let's hope they are not too proud to correct a mistake.

McGenius

NFL revenue fell by 10% because people don’t feel like getting preached to when spending their disposable income.

Mtgolfer

Tellingly, many of the “patriots” who are most livid are prone to support the flag and leaders of the rebellious southern states.

The glue that binds the two things together is race. Black slavery was the cause of the South in the Civil War, segregation and systematic restrictions on black rights of citizenship during the Jim Crow decades prompted the reinstatement of Southern heroes.

Today’s NFL protestors, it seems, are stepping beyond their place.

k. r. gardner in reply to Mtgolfer

Try not to be a southern racist. You are so off-topic you project nonsense beyond your limited knowledge of the NFL: Colin Kaepernick was a quarterback for San Francisco (a city in California), he was released and not picked up by any other tem. Hence his collusion lawsuit against the NFL. He is a crap quarterback not affected by generations of slavery. The NFL is only thinking of their international fan base.

k. r. gardner

That "Roger Goodell, the NFL’s commissioner, rued the effect of the protests on the image of players" is assuredly all that needs to be said about this annoying controversy. If Colin Kirkpatrick and his brethren want to protest police brutality, they should contribute to the ALCU or similar with their multi-million dollar contracts.
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And Colin, you're not that great as a quarterback so drop your collusion lawsuit against the NFL.

jouris in reply to k. r. gardner

Kaepernick isn't a superstar quarterback. But he is definitely better than several teams' starting quarterbacks. Not to mention even more backup quarterbacks, who are nevertheless on various rosters around the league.

k. r. gardner in reply to jouris

Alright. Maybe I am a little harsh on Kaepernick but still. NFL contradictions aside, this kneeling thing is an annoying controversy and he started it. If he wants to protest something, limit it to the game he used to play (like compensation for traumatic brain injury.)

guest-theritz

The NFL is a business, likely made the calculation that most people opposed to kneeling are strongly so, and that most others are indifferent rather than actively in favor. Shutting up the Mouth That Roared is a consummation devoutly to be wished in any case.

guest-theritz

The NFL is a business, likely made the calculation that most people opposed to kneeling are strongly so, and that most others are indifferent rather than actively in favor. Shutting up the Mouth That Roared is a consummation devoutly to be wished in any case.

CA-Oxonian

There is something inherently risible about the notion that a sport that is blatantly homoerotic (all those "tight ends" and "wide receivers," not to mention the lovely body-hugging lycra...) and is played by athletes doped up on a wide variety of illegal chemicals and whose on-field actions generally result in concussion and other serious injuries, should have people pretending that there's anything "patriotic" about the charade. Furthermore any definition of "patriotism" that means "you can't protest in favor of equality under the law and basic human rights" is, to be kind, definitionally challenged.

Perhaps the correct response to all this bogus controversy is simply to shut down the NFL altogether. It serves little purpose, as a game it is tedious beyond belief, and US citizens would be far better off doing other things with the valuable time they presently waste gawping at absurd on-field antics and cheering for "their" team (e.g. men in brightly colored uniforms whose allegiance to their present team is measured entirely in dollars and whose contempt for the "fans" is legendary).