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guest-lonemnl

Here in the Bay Area and Kalifornia has an estimated 2-3m Illegals.
It is the reason we have bought in Arizona and leaving although family members more do not like the traffic and crowds.
I personally can sometimes guess an Illegal when I see them, yet I do not know who they are.
If 5-10% of Illegals are criminals (and others good people) how do I tell who is the criminal.......there is no paperwork nor history.
We talk to many people leaving including our Az Realtor mentioned 80% of her clients are from Kalifornia. So sad.
I think also that Kalifornia is broke with at least 1.2 Tr. in total debt and I feel like a Shuttle re-entry riding on many of the roads here. Oakland is so bad, feces on street and Warriors and Raiders are moving and I don't blame them....nutty Mayor warned 800 Illegal Felons about ICE raid, so they are running around there.
Sad how this could have been such a great destination, we will never ride BART again (crime wave) nor visit San Fran again also now with a poop map for human feces.........INCREDIBLE. https://mashable.com/2014/11/21/public-poop-san-francisco/#xp6qZrCUMOqo

guest-ajmlonai

News reports have exaggerated the depth of the 2017 "Trump decline" in border apprehensions. If you go a little further back in time, you find that some of the Obama years had numbers nearly as low as 2017, without the lies and xenophobia coming out of the White House. (http://mason.gmu.edu/~bklinger/Nations/immig.html) . The data source cited in my graph referenced here has been removed by Border Patrol since last December. Strangely, the numbers in a new Border Patrol web site are different, but show similar year-to-year differences, including FY 2015 only 7% less than FY2017. https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

Realize

I guess uneducated or racists Whites can't understand that in an Economic, and business sense America needs these guys. There are jobs in America open cause the locals are hooked on opiods. Too many jobs in the good old USA. With no savings and Whites getting too old and pathetic, don't you need these kids to pamper you? Your own White kids don't seem to care for you as much. The guys who invented the concept of "market forces' seem to be upset about these "market forces"! Anyway a Dog which pisses on a piece of land has no logic, and just by the act of pissing on it, claims the land is his. Anti immigration jokers, are not really being logical in any respect. The land where the genocide of the Red Indians took place and where there has been 2 centuries of slavery, may not do what the Racist Donald wants. I think by the end of my life in the next decade or so I will have the pleasure of seeing the immigrants win this epic battle.

Realize

The obese, garbage eating, foul mouth, racist President of the United States doesn't understand that refugees risk slavery, loosing kids, their lives, and debilitating injury for a better life. There are like the Muslim suicide terrorists, except that there are millions of them. On the other hand the US has humane laws. A whole bunch of kind and charitable Americans who are determined to see that the law is protected, and that these people are treated well, which may even mean granting them permanent residence. About 17% of America is Hispanic, which means that 17% of the American population, will be sympathetic or empatise with their own people or race or whatever. These refugess are potential Democratic voters, and Trump has the other part of America to handle who are determined to attack him and hurt him at every twist and turn of his Presidency, whether he's right or wrong. I am afraid I think he has a huge uphill battle on his hands. I don't think he will be able to stop illegal immigration of young kids from South America, with America becoming older and older, and with the Baby Boomers and Generation X retiring and with no savings. They would love to have these kids look after them in their own age, which these kids would be too happy to do for dirt cheap wages. Too many jobs are open and in the business sense and in terms of the Demographic time bomb, the cards are stacked in the favour of coloured South American and Mexican kids. What's the damn problem? They have native American blood, are fanatical Christians, have strong family values unlike the Blacks, and can be taught about American values and dreams unlike the Muslim fanatics who number in the millions in the US. There are good people who live in "shit hole" countries. My hatred for donald only increases every day. It's difficult to be objective here...

ashbird

Tom Meadowcroft,
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I wanted to reply to you in a different blog where you made a suggestion regarding my Reply button not working (been like that since the Comment Freeze, which eventually thawed for the blogs, though not articles in the Printed Edition), but I was unable to for the very same reason, and I had exceeded my 3 max comments allowance (I think this rule applies to all).
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I have tried closing the browser, I have tried contacting TE IT dept for help. Thus far, no success. A complaint is submitted, but no response! I am extremely frustrated, as I don't like the way I am posting any better than you do. Also it is not true everybody can use the Reply button as many times as they have replies to post. I have read from a few commenters who stated they were limited to only ONE reply, not more than ONE. I don't know what's going on. All I can say is: "Very strange".
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So I ask for your forbearance as I continue with my forbearance with TE.
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Thanks.

9bXe6o6Meu

If you want to humanely reduce illegal immigration over the long run, supply more birth control to Central Americans. It will alleviate poverty, violence, and the population increase that fuels desperate migration.

9bXe6o6Meu in reply to MagicMoneyFrog

Very true - though Guatemala and Honduras are both still somewhat high at around 2.7 (it seems the birth rate is high if you take into account population momentum and the higher birth rate among the very poor/indigenous, who are more likely to emigrate). My point is, though, is that these are not hopeless countries doomed to endless poverty, and their inhabitants are not some sort of sub-human locust invaders, contrary to the views of most xenophobic Americans. Freer trade, more legal immigration (perhaps with an English proficiency test, if that's what it takes to sell it), demographic stabilization and some economic assistance would eventually transform these countries' net outflows into something similar to Mexico's (which has net emigration to the United States approaching zero). And improvement in our own backyard is truly in our enlightened self-interest.

9bXe6o6Meu in reply to MagicMoneyFrog

Very true - though Guatemala and Honduras are both still somewhat high at around 2.7 (it seems the birth rate is high if you take into account population momentum and the higher birth rate among the very poor/indigenous, who are more likely to emigrate). My point is, though, is that these are not hopeless countries doomed to endless poverty, and their inhabitants are not some sort of sub-human locust invaders, contrary to the views of most xenophobic Americans. Freer trade, more legal immigration (perhaps with an English proficiency test, if that's what it takes to sell it), demographic stabilization and some economic assistance would eventually transform these countries' net outflows into something similar to Mexico's (which has net emigration to the United States approaching zero). And improvement in our own backyard is truly in our enlightened self-interest.

Tom Meadowcroft

While the actions of the government can have some short term effect, the power of the market is very hard to resist. People come from south of the border when there are employers eager to hire them. If we wish to discourage illegal immigration, we must harshly punish employers. Making it difficult for the immigrants brings danger and hardship to their lives, but doesn't seem to actually stop or even slow them, other than the fraction who die during transit. To a young man surrounded by gang violence, poverty and unemployment in Guatemala, risking his life crossing a dessert to enter the US still seems a good bet. A wall isn't going to change that. When the US changes tactics, flows slow temporarily, but they always come back if the employers are hiring.
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Supply side controls have failed; demand side action is what is needed. But I just don't think it likely that the US will put employers of illegals in jail, or seize their businesses.

Ajay271 in reply to Tom Meadowcroft

There is obviously a demand for this low cost, low skill labour. Yet nobody wants to accept these people in society and yet welcome the "fruits" they bring in and want to continue to prosper from it. It is people we are taking about. Them,their children being treated as if they do not exist, exploited and often not allowed to live normal lives. This is what is despicable and the problem has many other dimensions.

It has been allowed to linger for years because Congress does not have the guts to ask the public to accept the reality and enact sensible regulation and inflow around it. Then people like Trump rise, who add fuel to the fire by supporting all the prejudice around it.

Even the so called Immigration argument around Brexit had the same parameters in not welcoming these people who came legitimately. However when you ask them then to pay a lot more for their cup of Coffee , their Home extension, Gardner or even wait longer for Hospital treatment, then they fail to see the connection.

guest-aanwmmsm

The factual lead and middle of this article don't seem to support the editorial summation. Arrests of illegal immigrants were down dramatically early in the Trump Administration -- due to EOs and tougher border enforcement, per Administration sources -- and the arrested illegal immigrants may only be held for a limited period. Why, then, would it be a surprise that deportations were down dramatically during 2017? If there were fewer arrests and detainments, only the tail end of the Obama illegal immigrant detainments would have been deported; of course the total number would be down from the prior year. Since arrests are up dramatically in 2018, we should expect that deportations will also be up unless the immigration judiciary is for some reason dragging its heels.

sikko6

Come! Come to America.
If you are from American continents, you are very welcome to Donald Trump's shithole America.
Trump welcomes you.

KillingSpree

Only repatriation and fining illegals will work.

Tom Meadowcroft in reply to KillingSpree

Only putting employers of illegals in jail and seizing their businesses will work.
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We've been repatriating for decades, with little effect. How do you suggest we fine people will little money? Hold them hostage in a jail cell until their hungry family members come up with some cash? You have to go after the money driving this traffic, and that money is with the employers, not the migrants.