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P.Santos

To : Swiss Reader

1. In Greece Orhtodox priests receive salary from State because they gave Church’s land to the State. The State forced this agreement. Otherwise the Church is independent from the State.
2. Churches in all countries have a different role. In France Church was an enemy of the revolutionaries (1789), as it sited with the King and the aristocracy. In Greece, Church assisted (at least) the revolutionaries during the Greek revolution for independence (1821). Actually the Patriarch was murdered under the accusation that he was member of a revolutionary group. That is why Greek flag has a Cross and French one doesn’t.
3. Germans don’t give money to Greeks for nothing. They lend money with an interest rate higher then the one of the Germans bonds. Actually, as german bonds have negative i.r. (for 2y and 5y) or close to zero (for the rest) and are bought by the ECB, it is the rest of Europeans who give money to the Germans for doing nothing. This is especially true for the Greeks, as Greece hasn’t been accepted to be part of the ECB’s QE.

llora

It is true the Bishop insulted homosexuals but I think what he really wanted to insult is homosexuality (homosexual intercourse). But what would your reaction be if someone or a group tells you that there's nothing wrong with sexual intercourse between fathers and daughters or mothers and sons? Will you not scream your head off? There is nothing wrong with being homosexual or heterosexual. However, everything is wrong with homosexuality and some kinds of heterosexuality eg. adultery, and these actions (not the persons doing them) need to be condemned with the harshest possible human language, lol, perhaps with the woes of Jesus, lol. Jesus is a perfect man and therefore must be heterosexual. A heterosexual has something a homosexual does not have: the capacity to make another human without any technological interventions, lol. But please do not feel bad if you're homosex, it is not your fault but please don't go about preaching it is good or indulging in homosexuality.

Swiss Reader

If Church and State are separate, bishops should enjoy the right of free speech to say outlandish things and discredit their religion to their hearts' content. But in Greece, the orthodox Church is not separate from the state; and priests receive a government salary; so Bishop Amvrosios has an official function. A representative of the Greek state should not be allowed to use such language.
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There is even a foreign policy issue involved. In view of the financial situation of Greece, in the end it's probably German taxpayers who will pay for the salary of that holy man. They won't be amused.

Fabelhaft

That Progressives see religion, particularly Christianity, as a threat to their orthodoxy.

Psalm 2
Why are the nations so angry?
Why do they waste their time with futile plans?
The kings of the earth prepare for battle;
the rulers plot together
against the Lord
and against his anointed one.
“Let us break their chains,” they cry,
“and free ourselves from slavery to God.”

Fabelhaft

That Progressives see religion, particularly Christianity, as a threat to their orthodoxy.

Psalm 2
Why are the nations so angry?
Why do they waste their time with futile plans?
The kings of the earth prepare for battle;
the rulers plot together
against the Lord
and against his anointed one.

ashbird

I think a person, any person, in a free society, should be free to think what he/she thinks.
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A line is crossed, however, when words are uttered that are designed to insult and injure other people who are different.
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Take a look at a list of history’s greatest artists and scientists and writers who were known homosexuals. You don’t have to admire them. Neither do you need to hate them so much you’d pridefully spit on them, let alone put bullet holes through them, as this Greek Church Man says everyone should.
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Personally, I find it impossible to spit on the creators of the statue of David, or the Pietà, or the Sistine Chapel (not to say the last act would defy gravity, and the spit would end up on the spitter’s own head). But of course, This Greek Church Man is free to do so, if he dares.
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Take a look: http://rictornorton.co.uk/greatgay/greatgay.htm Note: the compilation in link stopped at 1800. Work after 1800 appears to be yet unfinished, because the people are simply too numerous . Some of these people - flesh and blood folks just like you and me - met with persecution that ended in their murders or suicides.
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A name that stuck out after 1800 is Alan Turing, English Mathematician (1912-1954), without whose work on breaking the Nazi code, Britain might not have, it could be said, won their air war over Nazi’s mighty Luftwaffe, among other things.
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Lastly, no one has any definitive proof Jesus himself was or was not a homosexual. Therefore, this Greek Church Man ought to contemplate hard the serious Q: “To spit or not to spit?”, while he prays.
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With the degree of hatred he evinced, this Greek Church Man very likely has something in him deeply repressed, stuff perhaps will be fully revealed in his after-life as per the Bible he swears by.
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AtlantisKing

"...bishop’s attack had compounded their feelings of insecurity and social exclusion". Yeah, in the new politically-correct nirvana, one shall not offend anyones' feelings - well, at least the feelings of the politically protected. It's OK to offend white males, specially if they did not vote as prescribed by the new orthodoxy.

I suppose that it is inevitable that the politically-correct drivel that has dominated popular culture, academia and mainstream media will eventually kill off freedom of speech and religious freedoms. Wherever he is, Gramsci must be having a big laugh.