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Why a judge’s injunction on DACA is unlikely to stand

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blue asgard in reply to Tokarian

i have to confess to being another Georgi Chinkov reporter. (How many of us are there? It seems like everyone!) Some say he is insane and actually contributing from a Bulgarian mental hospital, but it seems more systematic than that. I suspect he's trying to swamp commentary on subjects his trollmasters want to shut down or at least discourage, given his enthusiasm for reposting on certain topics.
TE should be encouraged to spot and delete Chinkov contributions using AI techniques. There are common IR techniques for spotting irrelevant posts and given Chinkov's limited ability to evade simple-minfded troll-blockers the IR/AI combo should be enough, I would have thought, to stop him from bothering us again.
Think of it as a bit of research TE. If AI can't stop Chinkov what can it do?


Are we a nation of laws, or feelings? A judge's ruling halting the arbitrary order of one President that itself overrules an arbitrary order of a former president should not stand. Regardless of the merits, or not, of the so-called Dreamers, this is a legislative issue. Judge's, even progressive ones, are some super-legislature, though a certain strain seems to think they are.


"The rest of the federal government is marching forward with plans to weaken America’s embrace of those who seek its shores."

No it isn't. Only those who seek to do so illegally. The Trump administration does not have any problem with people who are here on visas.

jouris in reply to McGenius

The reason they’re here is because Obama wanted to bring in several new million Democratic voters.
Where do you get this bullsh*t? In case it has escaped your notice, none of these kids are citizens. And nothing Obama did made them citizens, or even put them on the road to citizenship. Which means they don't vote and can't vote. For Democrats or anybody else.


I sincerely hope that the irritating troll whose lengthy, waffle contributions begin "GE0RG1 … " is eligible for very rapid deportation, preferably to North Korea or Eritrea or some other place with very limited internet access!

Tom Meadowcroft

A judge like this needs to be suspended for a month without pay to let him go home and think about what he's done. This is just poor work. I hope the ninth circuit has enough respect for the law to slap him down hard.

jouris in reply to McGenius

What the hell are we arguing about today? It’s about how to make them citizens.
Oh I don't doubt that there would be some who would like to let them become citizens. But neither Obama (nor anybody else) had done anything like that -- which is what you claimed. Nor had Obama argued for doing it. All he did was direct the Justice Department not to spend resources on those kids.


Allowing the children of Hispanic illegal aliens (from Central and South America) to stay in the United States is unfair to Asians (and Europeans). Millions of impoverished people in Vietnam (and Eastern Europe), for example, want to bring their children to the United States but must wait in line for years.
Hispanics cut in front of the immigration line, shoving Asians to the end of the line.
Due to affirmative action, an American of Asian (or European) ancestry must score roughly 300 points higher than a Hispanic, on the Scholastic Aptitude Test (SAT), in order for the admissions committee (of Princeton University) to give him equal consideration with the Hispanic. (There is more information about this issue.)
Hispanics cut in front of the education line, shoving Asian-Americans to the end of the line.
Hispanics expect, demand, and receive preferential treatment from most Democrats and some Republicans. Why are Hispanics so bigoted?

jouris in reply to wdb

the reason the task needs doing is they broke immigration law in the first place. Or their parents did. [emphasis added]
And there is the nub of it. We do not, generally, punish (and to a kid raised, possibly from infancy, in the US it is punishment) kids for the crimes of their parents.
Doing so when the crime is (like it or not) ranked in seriousness on a par with a parking ticket, which illegal immigration or overstaying a visa is? There's a reason the the vast majority of Americans, including a majority of Republicans, think the law should let them stay.

Tom Meadowcroft in reply to jouris

I understand Georgi is from Bulgaria; used to work for the government in some capacity. He used to have an account, and it was taken away. Now he has to post as a guest, which seems to limit his posts a little, but not enough. I return again to my contention that TE would improve the comments section greatly by restricting post writing to those with subscriptions. I too will continue to report Georgi posts.

McGenius in reply to A. Andros

The reason they’re here is because Obama wanted to bring in several new million Democratic voters.

If sending them away is abhorrent, some sort of deal needs to be worked out that keeps them from voting so as not to distort the nation’s politics and to keep them from being anchors to bring their families over.

Additional regulations need to be enacted to discourage this stunt that Obama did from happening again.

A. Andros

I have yet to meet anyone who wants to send those kids "back" to Mexico or from wherever their parents migrated. They will make dandy Yankees (which they are, now, in all but name) and who on earth wants to hurt a bunch of youngsters starting-out in life?
Still . . . it is a bit ironic to see this absolutely justified critique of a renegade liberal judge in the same on-line edition of TE that castigates the ideological proclivities of Mr. Trump's nominations to the bench.
Mr. Trump's judges do not seem, in comparison, any more outside the bounds of sound jurisprudence than the current collection of liberal, black-robed ideologues.

jouris in reply to Tokarian

Sadly, he seems to be based in south-eastern Europe. About all we can do is click "Report" on his spam. And hope his ID gets blocked (although he seems to know how to generate new ones at need).

steve charles

Whether one agrees or disagrees with DACA, it is clear that America's immigration laws are not working.

Whether it is failure to tighten border security, confront the reality of illegal immigrants living and working on U.S. soil or resolving the limbo of the children who are in the U.S. because of their undocumented parents.

For more than a decade both political parties on Capitol Hill repeatedly have introduced immigration proposals that were virtually identical in wording. But each time lawmakers were ready to fix our immigration mess, they would cower before the fear of political backlash and retreat.

This shameless abdication of legislative responsibility has left the immigration issue festering until it now has metastasized into ugly vitriol from proponents and contestants increasingly unwilling to consider serious compromise.

And this judicial ruling is the latest volley in a contentious debate that shows no sign of sincere efforts by stakeholders to resolve the issue.

Instead immigration reform and DACA remain hostages to partisan grandstanding designed solely to solidify loyalty among ideological zealots and leave millions of immigrants trapped in uncertainty.

And in this election year 2018, there will be no courage by our lawmakers to do the right thing and forge meaningful immigration reform.

Tom Silo in reply to serban p.

While I understand temporary immigrants wanting to stay in the US, that doesn't mean they have the right to. It is rough, but they were generously provided temporary status and they have stayed for about 15 years. When one of the leaders of the organization to oppose deportation was asked about how the effects of the earthquake were well and truly over she replied, "yeah, but the crime there is really bad". So really, the issue is the US is a better place to live - I agree. That in itself is not a good enough reason.
Think also, if something like this happens again the US may refuse to help. So it's a bunch of people who are pushing themselves onto the American public and potentially hurting many others.
I don't know the immigration law well in the US, but they can also apply for permanent status. IMHO, I would allow everyone to stay who has demonstrated they have paid their taxes and committed no crimes. Then deport the remainder - is that a fair balance?

KillingSpree in reply to jouris

Why is this bad comment upvoted?

As if. Letting millions squat on US land has put them on the road to amnesty, which is the road to citizenship. Illegal aliens must be expelled. Otherwise US borders will become meaningless and the USA will be stretched to breaking point by illegal handouts.


DACA, insofar as it created immigration law (no US law allows undocumented, illegal aliens to work) via Presidential fiat, was clearly and ridiculously unconstitutional. Presidents implement laws, some faster than others, but they don't create them. Whilst DACA may be a good idea, there needs to be some statutory underpinning for it.
The people who are at risk of deportation should not be surprised to find this out: they know they are in the USA illegally. Most of them won't be deported as the task is herculean, but the reason the task needs doing is they broke immigration law in the first place. Or their parents did.
As to unjustness: it is quite unjust to those who have emigrated legally to allow illegal immigrants to stay. And no "decent" country does allow it.
The USA does have reasonable immigration laws and rather a lot of people arrive legally every year. But everybody here legally has a right to expect the Federal government to enforce said laws.

Melissia in reply to jouris

Well, Jouris, when a person like McGenius lies to themselves over and over again for years, there's a chance they'll start to believe their own lies are in fact reality.