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This kind of reminds me of a video game I used to play called Tropico, where the player was a dictator of a banana republic. Players could choose to have elections (or not). If a player chose to have elections, but was afraid they'd be booted from power, they could "reinterpret" a percentage of the ballots. Seems like a dangerous precedent to set, as does compiling a list of voters hostile to the Republican party for, um, future use.
The most powerful nation in the world managed by an old dotard....very sad!
So where do I collect my prize for successfully predicting that the sham commission would be a complete failure and uncover no evidence whatsoever of fraud?
You have no respect for the Democratic Party... or perhaps you do... that the Democratic Party would ever get caught.
Hello again old friend. Do you have any evidence of voter fraud to share? So far I've only heard of two cases, both of whom attempted to vote for Trump twice. Even Democratic strongholds like Kansas and Mississippi should leave some traces of this supposed fraud.
I can’t identify the thieves but that doesn’t prevent me from being suspicious of authorities that refuse to put a lock on the safe.
The general consensus is that something is corrupt with American elections. No doubt you believe the last election was stolen. Why you can believe that, and still refuse greater security in conducting the election, is bewildering. Unless you’re ok with a certain amount of corruption. Your concern is simply who it benefits.
But there is a lock on the safe. That's what registration is. People who've studied the issue have found almost no fraud at all because it's really hard to commit in person voter fraud.
That doesn't mean that we shouldn't be concerned about our elections. While it hasn't happened yet, security of voting machines and preservation of paper records for audits is crucial. I actually don't believe any election in my lifetime has been stolen; not this one, nor 2004 when there was a brief concern over Diebold machines in Ohio.
I'd be happy to endorse actual security measures designed to keep the process safe, but that's not what Kobach wants. There's no risk to the system from voter impersonation. There is a risk to the system from hacking and voter suppression. The former is a potential risk to guard against, the latter is a real problem in need to immediate attention.
Yeah... security... a 7-11 is required to demand more in proof in identity to sell a Colt-40 but yeah... you want security? The Democrats are all about security. And they know what they value. They value the security of Colt-40s, or air travel for that matter, than they value desecuring the ballot.
Perhaps if ballots were more secure Democrats wouldn’t think they were hacked into by Russians? Nobody accuses 7-11 of that! AND THE BALLOT MACHINES ARENT EVEN CONNECTED TO THE INTERNET!
If you recall, when people thought Hillary was going to win the election, Democrats said the Russians couldn’t interfere with the election. They’ve since changed their tune.
If Democrats were concerned there conservatives would be manipulating the vote, thefe’s Be all kinds of regulation. Just as if Mexico was a pasty pale country and they thought Bubbas were sneaking over the border and compelling states to allow open carry.
Means justify the ends... is it really that crazy to not trust Democrats? Particularly when they believe in so much regulation but... for just a few things... like abortion and the ballot?
So we agree then that ballots and voting machines should be secure, yes? That's a much better plan than the nonsense this Commission was going after. Rest assured that election security doesn't have to be a partisan issue.
No, your eye for corruption gets the better of you. I want comprehensive election reform. There’s two parts to an election. Certifying the ballots are faithfully cast by legitimate voters, and then counting them. You want to secure the counting but keep open a back door for casting of them. Like super delegates in the Democratic Primary and all the corruption and collusion that went on there to keep Bernie from being a serious contender.
Do you have any evidence whatsoever that there is a problem with the "casting of ballots?"
Try that argument with the police if you have an unsecured firearm in your house. That there’s no proof that anyone is trying to steal it.
Only Hillary gets to make those arguments.
Well, seriously, how could any thinking American want universal health care? How could they not want to have mandatory bible classes in high school? How could they not want to worry about being blasted by a nut with an assault rifle at a country music festival? Clearly, illegal immigrants were bused in my Democrats to pad their voter turnout.
USA does not have a 'national id card' of any sort. Driving licenses and the division of motor vehicles act as a substitute. But what if you are disabled? What if you cannot make it to the DMV in person? There are many many ways to get registered in the USA fraudulently. Poor urban areas, with lots of minorities (who don't drive anyway), are popular with with voter fraud. Since the minorities can be coaxed to vote Democratic (with promise of free healthcare maybe?) Democrats are OK with the current flaky voter registration system in the USA. Which is why they didn't want the commission to work.
So Democrats claim Russia (from far away) managed to corrupt our election, while opposing any investigation into domestic corruption.
"Poor urban areas, with lots of minorities (who don't drive anyway), are popular with with voter fraud. "
If it is SO popular with voter fraud..... actual, criminal, and prosecutable case of people voting illegally- not to mention doing so to such a degree that it has an actual impact on an election!- then you should have NO PROBLEM citing multiple examples of such.
Go ahead and do so.
"......while opposing any investigation into domestic corruption."
Nice try. When the GOP does not even bother to keep the Dems on this committee even informed of what they are doing, how in the heck can it be that DEMOCRATS were opposing it????
Tell you what- we're going to play a hand of cards and wager your house on it. Except I will not actually deal you any cards, you will not see what I have in my hand, and you MUST take my word for it. Sound good?
The major form of corruption in the US electorial system is gerrymandering and that is predominantly organised by Republican interests.
Otherwise there simply is no evidence of widespread voter fraud and you provide absolutely evidence of it at all.
You're entitled to your opinions as to whether it exists. You are not entitled to your own facts.
What do you think the point of illegal immigration is? To change through subversive means. Illegal aliens are simply undocumented Democrats. The Economist is quite upfront about this and how the changes in the electorates to states will destroy the GOP.
"Illegal aliens are simply undocumented Democrats. "
ANY TIME you want to share DEMONSTRABLE EVIDENCE of massive numbers of ILLEGAL ALIENS VOTING (let alone ALL doing so for Democrats), please DO SO.
Until then? Put Up or Shut Up.
the Whole point of getting illegal aliens across the border is to vote Democrat.
If Democrats have no regard for the nation’s borders, what’s stopping them from corrupting the voting booth’s?
Who are you fooling?
Once Democrats take a state like Florida or Texas, Conservatism is dead. There’s a feeling that Puerto Rican refugees, mostly Democrats, to Florida from the last hurricane could prevent the GOP from winning the state in the future.
Who says the Democrats want to sit around waiting for Illegal aliens to become citizens to legally vote Democrat. They’re here already. Why should they not be allowed to vote Democrat now?
"the Whole point of getting illegal aliens across the border is to vote Democrat."
Damn- you found out the secret! Who squealed?
Here we all were - lattes in hand- thinking that people coming into this country were fleeing crushing poverty and dangerous situations in their own nations..... and were willing to do back breaking labor without any of the rights enjoyed by our own citizens..... just to give themselves or their children a quantum of an iota of a chance at a better life.....and that the decent- dare I say Christian?- thing to do would be to open our arms to them (once vetted) so as to keep on living up to the ideals that ARE this country....... when REALLY our plan was simply to increase the Democratic base.
"Who are you fooling?"
I'm being fooled, yet you refuse to provide a scintilla of evidence of illegal aliens voting en masse- and all Democratic of course- at such a significant rate that it actually can turn the tide of an election....Again: PUT UP OR SHUT UP. We'll wait....
".....that Puerto Rican refugees, , mostly Democrats, to Florida from the last hurricane could prevent the GOP from winning the state in the future."
1. "Refugees" from Puerto Rico? You mean.....our fellow Americans, right? It's been a century since the Jones-Shafroth Act, Mc"Genius"....meaning that if they relocate to- as in "NOW RESIDE IN"- one of our 50 states or DC and want to vote in the 2018 elections, they certainly can.
2) Know who Jenniffer Gonzalez is? Want a hint? Her title is "Resident Commissioner" of the "Puerto Rico - at large" District which is a non-voting MEMBER of the US House of Representatives. (Fun Fact: Samoa, US Virgin Islands,Guam, and DC get "Delegates"; only PR has their rep titled "Resident Commissioner"). Care to guess which party she is a member of? Hint: She is on the Republican Conference House Policy Committee....
Good Luck, Mc"Genius"....
Have them move to a country of racists where the rich make money off the backs of the poor? Are you sadistic?
Or perhaps you just assume that the American economy will always provide the levels of cash that guarantees you a certain standard of living no matter how the country is managed- a form of Democratic Party American Exceptionalism l- and you just need these people to provide the votes to maintain power for the Democratic Party.
you know the GOP skated by with the electoral college now a couple of times.
This is why Trump won. To stop the inevitable.
The Democrats are flooding large GOP states with loyal Democrats so conservatives can never win an election again.
You want to win now and destroy the country now- you can’t wait.
Uhm, Puerto Ricans are Americans. They can vote legally. There is also no Democratic or Republican party in Puerto Rico.
"The Democrats are flooding large GOP states with loyal Democrats so conservatives can never win an election again."
Would you have any evidence for this massive intentional migration solely for the purpose of winning an election???
"Hey Mike- we know you're a good guy with strong local ties and life you have built here in Blue State....but we're gonna need you to take one for the team and relocate to Red State because- hey, elections. Ok? Good- the movers will be here tomorrow...." Do you realize how ungodly stupid you sound?????
"You want to win now and destroy the country now- you can’t wait."
Kind of an odd thing to say coming off of a two-term Obama administration, eh? And to think about all that destruction he caused! You know- things like unemployment being cut in half, the DJIA and S&P nearly tripling, the deficit being cut in half, record corporate profits, GDP taking a TEN POINT SWING from MINUS SEVEN to PLUS 3, the American auto industry going from death's door to record sales, etc....
----- Ok, NOW you can answer that "How dumb do you sound?" question....
the Whole point of getting illegal aliens across the border is to vote Democrat.
On the contrary, the whole point is to provide labor, especially cheap labor. Which is why efforts to reduce it are so unpopular in red states near the border. Want to hear emotional objections to Trump's proposed border wall? Talk to (mostly Republican) landowners along the border in Texas.
Puerto Ricans are Americans. They can vote legally. There is also no Democratic or Republican party in Puerto Rico.
Actually, there is a Republican Party of Puerto Rico. Has been for decades. They even have a primary, and the winning delegates have the same votes as other delegates in choosing the party's nominee for President.
That's still not evidence.
Why would someone NOT be coaxed to vote for free health care? I know a woman who is a realtor who cant afford health care for children because she had cancer ten years ago. I also know of a person who makes 100k/year and can't afford insurance because they have a weird autoimmune disorder. 160k/year - what's that, 2.6x the annual salary of an American FAMILY and they can't afford healthcare? Obviously they should just suck it up and vote Republican, eh?
How can there be voter fraud when each must swear, truthfully, in front of a DMV clerk that he/she is of legal age and is a legal resident, and, in addition, each must recite, correctly, the last four digits of his/her social security number.
Check out how Senator Al Frankenstein won his election.
Truth be told, I get mine in the mail every year (Colorado)
America has the most stupid president in the world. Kid Donut Trump thinks Amazon has to pay more to postal service. He's an idiot. Postal service' problem is not Amazon's fault. People and companies are not sending postal mails as they used to do. They use emails. That's where problem started. Furthermore Amazon is not paying postal service fees. It's the consumers who pay the fees. Amazon will switch alternative delivery services. This will make postal service more problem. Kid Donald knows how to argue with Kid Kim JungUn. That's what can manage.
Liberal Progressive Democrats have destroyed black Americans with their addictive destructive welfare policy that bribes black moms to dump their children's father....and yet you guys still vote for the democrats that have destroyed you. Why??
"Liberal Progressive Democrats have destroyed black Americans with their addictive destructive welfare policy that bribes black moms to dump their children's father...."
We're at the "Straight from the ignorant feverswamp of Breitbart comment boards" part of the day already? Time flies....
I own a store in Atlanta and I have numerous black customers whose lives are not falling apart due to welfare policies, who seem like very nice people, with active inner lives with normal desires and drives, and who talk and behave pretty much exactly like my white customers. Perhaps you should talk to a diverse, age-differentiated range of people and gather more current information, so that you won't post this antiquated drivel.
"Liberal Progressive Democrats have destroyed black Americans with their addictive destructive welfare policy..."
Except they haven't. Most American black folk do not live in poverty or ignorance.
Do your black Americans know that their unemployment rate is the lowest now than it has ever been since records by the government were kept? Do they know that Obama and the Democrats have said such economic activity by Black Americans was impossible?
Sure Black folk live in poverty. According to Democrats they’re but one vote from being thrown out on the streets. According to Democrats the only thing keeping them from that last step to destitution is them, and the government programs only they provide.
If you’re that vulnerable to starvation... like one paycheck away from being homeless... per the Democrats... sounds impoverished to me.
President Dipshit wanted to create an excuse for why he lost the popular vote. F him. Neither a majority nor a plurality wanted this stupid, serial lying asshole as their president.
Putin is laughing. "My puppet gets beat by nearly 3 million votes, and I still put my puppet in the White House. I love the Electoral College. I bet I can pull the same trick in 2020."
Your leetler is a great fox. He presents Singaporstan as democratic country while it is the most ridiculous dictatorship.
A dictatorship, eh? That might be one reason Singapore is a Third World country.
It's hard to know how much voter fraud exists because lefties suppress any investigation. Though it seems unlikely that ex voter fraud Trump would've won the popular vote - almost 3 million vote differential.
Disingenuous is the author's sarcasm quotes around the commonplace term aliens, as if that isn't a normal word for non-citizens. Chronic dishonesties are among the reasons why The Economist is fake news.
Judging from the way Repugnican states gerrymander constituency boundaries to their own advantage I think you rest assured that any voter fraud would benefit the right wing.
"It's hard to know how much voter fraud exists because lefties suppress any investigation. "
Yet the GOP refused to even let their Dem counterparts in on almost ANY element of this 'voter fraud task force'.
Don't let facts get in the way of your screeching, CS....
You're watching too much Sean S for Brains Insannity. It's putting you in a Deep State -- a deep state of denial.
Where is Tokarians now. They seem to vanished in China.
"It's hard to know how much voter fraud exists because lefties suppress any investigation."
They haven't. The commission of enquiry has collapsed because there is no evidence of widespread voter fraud.
If there is, show it, rather than fantasising that its all the fault of Democrats and claiming The Economist is fake news. Better still, grow up.
THe commission screwed up- if they had sold themselves as part of the investigation regarding how Russia committed voter fraud states like California would be hard pressed to ignore them. The Economist’s article would be complaining about failure of justice.
Nobody would fall for such an obvious charade. The administration stated that the commission was shut down despite massive evidence of fraud, but gave no indication what that fraud might be. Seemingly the only evidence is that Trump lost the popular vote. The real fraud is the commission.
People fell for the idea of Russian collusion. We’re already in the land of make believe.
"People fell for the idea of Russian collusion. "
Once Mueller's investigation wraps up....and IF that does INDEED demonstrate collusion- would you be man enough to have the intellectual honesty and character to admit you were wrong the entire time?
Yes or No. There is no equivocation needed.....
McIdiot, you're in a state of denial. Who met with the Russians in Dump Tower? That's collusion right there.
Faux News has rotted what little gray matter you have.
Camarade McGenius is just a Russian - his country's upcoming election is truly in the land of make believe. No native English speaker would express themselves the way you do anyway.
IF collusion is demonstrated... it still does not mean a crime took place.
You're the Nadia Comaneci of Mental Gymnastics, McGenius....
Let me ask you one simple question: Do you like your odds of there being "collusion- but no crime" ? By even suggesting that, well.....the bar has now been lowered past the ground and somewhere near the earth's core.
You’re going to remove an elected President t from office for having not committed a crime? You wish to instigate a Constitutional crisis?
What other kind of crazy banana republic fantasies do you have? Are your fantasies typical of those you know?
That strawman is so laughably pathetic that Dorothy is going to help you find a brain....
Please show me where I said I would "remove an elected President t from office for having not committed a crime". Someone is certainly having fantasies- got a mirror?
I'm willing to bet that if one clicked on your name and looked at the historical trend of your comments, we would see an evolution from "Fake News! There was no Russian interference in the election!" to "So what if the Russians did something?" to "There was never any collusion!" and all the way to the current "But collusion is not a crime!" and "So what if they did collude- there was no crime!"......
Again, the etymology of the "Mc" surname means "Son Of"....and in your case, the "Genius" part skipped a generation.
“Please show me where I said I would "remove an elected President t from office for having not committed a crime"”
Then you have no point and you’re just trolling.
My point was- and still is this, Mc: People like you who do not think that there was any collusion are still in denial. Even you have to admit that while there is no raging fire YET (Mueller is playing this one VERY close to the vest), there is so... much...smoke. We're nowhere near done with this ordeal....
I will once again wager that the outcome from Mueller will feature the words "obstruction of justice" - and will take odds on THAT being related to Russian interference in our election. I would also be willing to bet that the former also leads to a combination of others- "wire fraud" and "money laundering".
I don’t dispute that there was collusion during the election. There was collusion between Hillary’s campaign and the DNC to fix the the Democrtic Party Primary so that Bernie had no chance. No question there. There was also collusion between the Hillary Campaign and the Russian government through spending on the fake dossier. And there was also collusion within elements of the FBI and the Hillary campaign. Oh, I don’t doubt bad stuff has gone on. So far all the evidence has pointed to Democrats behaving badly. And yes, there has been Russian interference... but the only evidence has been with the Democrats. There’s also evidence of collusion between Mueller and Comey that ought to be investigated. There’s was all kinds of collusion going on- just not what you’re interested in.
What you think is there people have been looking for for longer than the campaign. Billions of dollars between the media and Obama’s FBI and untold hours have been spent looking for something to compromise the Trump presidency. The past is the past and if nothing happened, it can’t be created. There isn’t anything there no matter how much you wish.
Oh well, obviously is all the fault of Democrats.
"There isn’t anything there no matter how much you wish."
Thanks for proving my point about being in denial, McGenius.....even in the face of EVERYTHING from our National Intel apparatus insisting that there was to Papadopoulos' drunken bean-spilling to the actual emails between Fredo and the Russian "lawyer" on "adoptions", you're still insisting that the Emperor's New Clothes look faaaaaabulous!
Good Luck, McGenius......I eagerly look forward to your insane rationalizations in the future when more indictments start dropping. Just be sure to stretch well so you don't pull any muscles when you make such leaps as you did above....
There’s really not much to discuss when you deny the collusion that happens in DC.
Collusion in and itself would be a crime at minimum of election laws.
The only problem that ever existed was that the mainstream media ever lent any credence to it in the first place, which in turn affirmed his belief in the power and utility of distractions. It's not as if you needed any journalistic skills or an Ivy League education to establish the falsity or sheer absurdity of the claim: simple logic was enough to support the conclusion that you couldn't simultaneously allege a massive voter-fraud and claim a decisive, legitimate victory in the same election. Yet, the media allowed itself to be distracted nonetheless - and you see the same pattern whenever there is a scandal (which in his case is daily). Obama was supposed to have bugged his apartment during his "campaign", just when the Comey scandal broke, for example. And now, we should focus on his infantile boast about "his" nukes just as damaging revelations have come to light in a new book (not that they were going to damage him, BTW, given how low he's managed bring expectations of propriety). And we believe his second terms isn't already guaranteed.
That's not the only problem. Why would the media lend credence when no evidence was given? We had a Secretary of State in Iowa elected entirely on the premise that he would eliminate voter fraud. He has found six cases that he was able to prosecute and most of those were due to error.
The entire posse got tired of chasing its tail, or so I'm told. Also, water is wet.
Let's remember that notwithstanding the disbanding of the commission, AG Sessions is still in there quietly beavering away at voter suppression
When did the Economist become such a shabby tabloid?
Their evolution into a "shabby tabloid" likely coincides with your decision to automatically denigrate anything that contradicted your preferred political leanings....
Then why do you bother still reading it?
Don't like it? Then why are you here, whiner? Consider Breitbart or Mein Kampf, sparky.
"It's hard to know how much voter fraud exists because lefties suppress any investigation."
What the heck are you talking about?