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eny

U.S. fighter jets fired warning shots at Russian planes flying over Syrian airspace...
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US/NATO's presence and actions in Syria are illegal (which are war crimes), US/NATO must get out of Syria totally before somethings stupid/tragic happen which US/NATO will be held fully accountable.
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US has repeatedly lied and violated UN to attack/invade illegally. Who do you think you are? How many more lies do you want to tell?
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The illegal attacks of Libya have led to unparalleled chaos and lawlessness that continue to fester as we speak...not just more and more refugees flooding Mediterranean...Sarkozy/Cameron/Obama's ‘Worst Mistake’ is leading to the Libyan Slave Trade/Auctions -not virtual slavery, but actual whips-and-chains-forced slavery- are alive and well in the North African nation of Libya, the world must take notice...
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The illegal invasions/attacks (Iraq,Libya,etc) are war crimes that destabilize the region leading to more failed states convulsing in violence and killing fields with millions (including children, women) being murdered, raped, injured, traumatized, enslaved and/or displaced, setting fires to the whole region which have simply radicalized and created more and more terrorists... all unfolding daily and endlessly, yes, these are unprecedented atrocities committed by these scumbag war criminals (Bush/Blair/Sarkozy/Cameron, etc.)..
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Are these war criminals (Bush/Blair/Sarkozy/Cameron, etc.) above the law?
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The West must stand by its own principles to charge/jail these war criminals (Bush/Blair/Sarkozy/Cameron, etc.).
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The mainstream media, why are you silent on the war crimes committed by these war criminals (Bush/Blair/Sarkozy/Cameron, etc.)?
Why do you practice censorship for all these ugly truths?
Why do you egg on the breaking of laws, violations of UN, praising US/NATO's thuggishness to attack/invade illegally?
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Until these heinous war criminals (Bush/Blair/Sarkozy/Cameron, etc) are charged/jailed for life, these ugly truths must be told and retold.

guest-omnnmei in reply to CaptainRon

"How can this have 24 recommends and not even be on topic? Oh I see, we have trolls."
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Exactly. eny's pals at "The Agency" in Petersburg are following orders: "Comrades, click on Recommend when comrade eny posts anti-America propaganda."
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You see the same troll induced robo-recommends for eny's fellow Kremlin stooge mullah.

Madbull99

I initially posted this as a reply to somebody but i want to go board wide with it because i just dont get it so for those of you who supported Moore-i ask this with sincerity, you would rather support a pedophile than vote Democrat- i am having a hard time understanding how people like you think especially when the bible is the bedrock of Alabama? Do you people honestly believe that Jesus would be ok with a grown man "preying" on a girl who has not had the luxury of developing her full intellect let alone the fact that her body is still growing? It is the ultimate form of bullying no hyperbole the ultimate form aside from picking on those with physical limitations and i just don't see Jesus accepting that.

BHARAT-

The Emperor Claudius, who was never a half wit, said before he died, 'The poison will always eke out of the mud '
In a world which is made much more transparent by the web, facts stand out.
In such matters, the people who voted for Moore, so many of them being bible thumpers, have left a legacy for their children
Their offspring, and including Trump's grand children, will have to explain to the world why they continued to support a man who has a paedophile character with lots of symptoms of rabid racism.
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Madbull99 in reply to guest-nosliol

i ask this with sincerity, you would rather support a pedophile than vote Democrat- i am having a hard time understanding how people like you think especially when the bible is the bedrock of Alabama? Do you people honestly believe that Jesus would be ok with a grown man "preying" on a girl who has not had the luxury of developing her full intellect let alone the fact that her body is still growing?

guest-nosliol in reply to Madbull99

Christians aren't perfect, if they were they wouldn't need the salvation offered by Jesus Christ. God chooses the instruments he will use, people err when they think they are in control of this world. If you apply Biblical standards to American politics, you will be often disappointed. My sincere belief is that the US is engaged in a political civil war for the soul of the nation. As with any war fought by humans, both sides seek to use whatever weapon will cause them to prevail.

BHARAT- in reply to guest-nosliol

And it is the people that these Christians choose who are some of the worst.
I have little doubt about the sort of man that you are backing.
What Really bothers me is that the Protestants , the backbone of the southern whites tell us that Jews,Catholics are heretics and that the blacks are animals.
There is much effort to disclude these people from normal discourse . Alabama is much less then tolerant, deny it as you may. The morality is an issue of the white populace and the people who back them no matter what.
That means you. How can you sleep alt night backing a man who might try and make sexual advancement at your daughter?

guest-nosliol in reply to BHARAT-

My Taiwanese grand-daughter and son-in law will be home with my daughter for Christmas. I couldn't love them more. I am a Christian, grafted into the tree of Jesse, I sincerely hold my faith. I was raised by the children of white Southern sharecroppers steeped in religion and racism. Yet I have business relations with blacks whom I would hold up against any white for virtue. I truly appreciate the service of blacks that take care of my disabled brother and mother. I support charities that help their brethren in Africa. Being raised while my father was in the Air Force, where equality in the US had an early beginning, gave me a fresh look at the world. But the stain of racism exists everywhere, I see the old scar in myself, no amount of living will totally erase it. I see the pain it still causes in others. But don't let it consume you. These whites you hate each have their own story to tell. They give to charities that disproportionately help Africans and Latin Americans, I guarantee it. They grieve, they bleed. Christianity teaches forgiveness. They are searching for the right way. Those such as myself that have found it have compassion for them as well as those like you who can't get over the injustice. Instead of finding passages in the Old Testament to feed your anger, study the life of the man Jesus Christ. He is the answer.

CaptainRon in reply to guest-nosliol

Was Bill accused of dealing with underage women? Accusations of his predatory actions with women was not made known until he was already in his second term and was only made known after, get this, someone investigating his finances brought this to light.

AlecFahrin

Turns out that running a pedophilic Nazi can almost win a senate election in Alabama.

jouris in reply to AlecFahrin

"Close" only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.
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Another perspective is that, faced with a candidate with whom they strongly disagree on several issues that are very important to them, a lot of folks in Alabama were willing to vote for him anyway. Based on the numbers in this election vs how handily Trump won, that was something like 25% of the electorate. Not insignificant.

BHARAT- in reply to jouris

The one point tha stands out is that the evangelical Christians back Moore and people like Moore all over the South - and especially so in Alabama

It makes me want to read their version of this Bible. The one I have read is based on some wonderful principles ( at least in the New Testament )
I can only think of these White Alabamans as evil

Melissia in reply to BHARAT-

Specifically, _white_ evangelical Christians. Minority evangelical Christians overwhelmingly voted against him.
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You remember the silly image of Moore riding to the polling booth on a horse? Yeah, he wasn't playing at being a rancher or cowboy. In Alabama, that image is not associated with either of those.
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It's associated with plantation owners, specifically ones looking to keep track of their slaves.
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The various minorities in the state took note of that and other racist dog-whistles that Moore was using to rally the White Christian™ base, who defines their Christianity upon its whiteness.

jouris in reply to BHARAT-

I can only think of these White Alabamans as evil
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It may be noteworthy that, if you meet them in person, they can be incredibly nice folks. To everybody, not just people like them.
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But somehow, when they get into a political context, whether on-line or at a rally (or in the voting booth), their worst instincts can come out.

MySetDancer in reply to Melissia

"It's associated with plantation owners, specifically ones looking to keep track of their slaves." Can you please provide some evidence for this assertion? It sounds like the kind of statement one makes based on stereotypes and not history. I dislike the rider intensely, but "plantation owner" did not come to mind when I saw the clip.
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Thanks.

MySetDancer in reply to jouris

U.S. politics are very complex with lots of overtones and history-based undercurrents which are much more complex than you portray. This is no more true than in the deep South where people vote in large part based on party affiliation and issues like abortion. I could never vote for Moore if given the chance, but I can certainly understand why some people might vote for him. To portray them all as "evil" reveals a shallow and simplistic understanding of the political history of the South. The Democratic party is viewed (with some justification) as elitist, "northern," and corrupt. But enough whites did vote for Jones to make a difference. So, choose your corruption carefully.
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Best regards.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/politics/alabama-exit-polls...

guest-nosliol in reply to BHARAT-

Bharat: 'I can only think of these White Alabamans as evil'
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That only makes you sound like a racist yourself. Many of Moore's supporters may be everything you say but many others are simply trying to help Trump drain the swamp. You may not like that but it is a valid and morally defensible position.

BHARAT- in reply to guest-nosliol

In my part of the world, we call a spade a spade. If it is white Alabama folks - then it is white Alabamans.
If they have a reason of helping Trump drain the swamp - then you seem to be the only person who knows about it.
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\ As for racism - that seems to be dependent on your definition of racism
To me - you are trying to use a politically correct way of hiding the truth
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I have doubts about your assertions - plus the Alabamans have a terrible record that proves my point

BHARAT- in reply to jouris

I figure that i should answer your note about Alabamans being 'nice' people
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I am sure that they are.
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And you may have noticed that I am anti-Sunni Islam as well. I have people I like who are sunni. But that does not change the Sunnah nor the KOran - and all the principles laid down by these texts.
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Sunni Muslims tend to be some of the nicest people in the world. And yet most of them would never have read and understood the Sunnah nor the Koran
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I will give you a very strong hint
" If you want to be a perfect Muslim, then you follow the deeds of the Prophet ( the Sunnah- do as the Prophet did)
- And I.S.I.S is the best example of people who tried to follow the Sunnah -

Niceness is a facade used far too often to hide the nastiness.

Langosta

I haven't been in Alabama since coincidentally the day the allegations broke about Moore a few weeks ago. I called my friends there yesterday to find out why Moore had won so strongly in the primary runoff against Luther Strange, but was defeated yesterday. They said that it resulted from the following events:
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First, the senate seat became vacant when Jeff Sessions moved up to be Trump's Attorney General.
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At that time Alabama's Governor Bob Bentley was involved in a scandal resulting from an affair with one of his staff members (Bently is in his 70's, but apparently a spry old goat). Luther Strange was the state prosecutor charged with investigating Bentley. Bentley appointed Strange to the vacant Senate seat to get him out of his hair.
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Strange accepted the seat, in an obvious conflict of interest. Alabama voters despised that deal. When it came time to fill the seat permanently by election, Mitch McConnell poured millions of Republican money into Strange's campaign. That squeezed out the other candidates, except for Roy Moore.
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Since no candidate attained a majority in the primary, a runoff was held between Strange and Moore. Moore won decisively due to Strange's unpopularity in the state.
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In the general election Moore did not campaign well enough to overcome his negatives, including the allegations of molesting women.
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I expected that the allegations, originating from the Washington Post, would rally the people of Alabama behind Moore, but this did not happen. Nonetheless, it was an unusual sequence of events that caused the loss.
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The Republicans were discombobulated yesterday and blaming each other for the defeat. My advice was to calm down, accept the loss graciously, and then move on with the other items on the agenda, such as enacting the tax reform, which may happen as soon as next Tuesday. I reminded them that this is the loss of just one Senate seat, and that in the election of 1986, with Reagan at the peak of his popularity, the Republicans lost 8 seats. So, get over it. Do the tax reform, build the wall, continue appointing conservative judges, then run on those agendas in 2018.

JT302 in reply to Langosta

that tax reform bill: yet another exercise in trickle-down. does everything for the rich and little to nothing for the average joe.

build the wall: does nothing but assuage the bigotry of bigots, diminishes america's global image as land of the "free, home of the brave," and adds to the deficit (so does the tax bill, for that matter).

continue appointing conservative judges: further evidence, together with the denial of merrick garland, of the venality of the repuglican party.

so, u go right ahead and "Do the tax reform, build the wall, continue appointing conservative judges, then [watch as you lose the presidency in 2020].

Langosta in reply to CaptainRon

I like that the parties implement bold agendas that they campaign on. Let them implement them, and then be judged on them. If the tax reform works, fine. If it falls flat on its face, then vote the Democrats back in and let them see what they can do.
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What I don't like is either policy making bold promises and then saying, "We can't do that; it's too risky" once they get elected. Both parties: do what you said you were going to do, or don't waste our time campaigning for our votes by making promises you have no intention of keeping!

deadsparrow

Jones' victory should also worry Democrats. At a time when accusations of sexual misconduct are cleaning out politicians like the day-care workers who were rounded up in the 80's nursery school sex abuse hysteria, Moore came within a point and a half of winning. A ten point victory might have meant something. A point and a half does not.

Jerry Atrick in reply to deadsparrow

Yes and no. Think of it as a 30-point victory given that he was starting with a 28-point handicap.
That said, it is as much if not more Moore's loss than Jones's victory. Jones was a very strong candidate of the wrong political persuasion for most Alabamans, whereas Moore was a terrible candidate from the "right" side of the tracks for most of them. A better Republican candidate (say, Sassy?!) would surely have won handedly.

Econo-1964

Republicans lost this contest for the same reasons Democrats lost the presidency, Terrible Candidate.

guest-iijnmia in reply to sfkauder

I'm sorry. I disagree. Hillary certainly has morally reprehensible aspects. Compared to DT though, she's a girl scout. And no, her policies would not have been worse. She would have reined in the worst of the Republican Congresses excesses, and I don't think we'd be as close to an accidental war as we are. To me Hillary was the better candidate. What scares the poop out of me though is that, in 2016, neither candidate was competent enough to use a personal computer AND worse, Donald Trump doesn't read briefings and gets most of his information from television. Very scary.

sfkauder in reply to guest-iijnmia

We will just have to agree to disagree -- Hillary's policies would simply be the continuation of Obama's failing and dangerous policies. Much more so than DT's policies -- both domestic and foreign. Plus, I believe an honest investigation by Mueller's group of Russian links would find HRC much more culpable and much more involved with the Russians than Trump. Trump is not so good at being subtle, you know what you are getting, Hillary is a world class sneak, she'll knife you while looking you straight in the face and lying.

nickcox

Moore's candidacy shows the corrosive effect of Christian fundamentalism on American society.He almost won despite everything,because White Christians turned out to vote for him, and local Churches supported him.It is true that Bible texts attack homosexuals and cite black people as being inferior to white people, and those same texts do endorse slavery.But to use that as a way of life in modern society is deeply troubling.

nickcox in reply to MySetDancer

Relevant Biblical references are too numerous to list out here.
Exodus Ch 21 and Leviticus Ch 25 give you detailed instructions on how to treat your slaves.
Genesis Ch 4 refers to the "mark of Cain" which especially U.S. Protestants have taken to mean black people are descended from that bad Mr Cain.For Mormons it is actually confirmed belief, remarkable even by Mormon standards.
The Bible of course decrees that homosexuals should be put to death, which encourages Moore's anti-gay rants,

jouris in reply to nickcox

I observe that those are all Old Testament references.
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But then, it is notable how much "fundamentalist" Christians favor the Old Testament over the New. It's like they don't really want to be Christians, except in name. (CINOs?)

MySetDancer

The voters rejected Moore and his extremist views. This is a good sign for the country. If it can happen in Alabama, it can happen elsewhere in the upcoming midterm election. The Democrats may gain control of the Senate, preventing Trump and the extreme wing of the Republican party from implementing their agenda, which does not reflect the views of either mainstream Republican or Democratic voters. It is also possible that some moderate and/or vulnerable Republicans may re-think their "allegiance" or support for Trump and his cronies. Let's hope so.
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Trump and his cabal will continue to alienate voters as they become more familiar with him and his inner-circle. But we must remember that the frustration and disappointment that many voters feel regarding both political parties (and hence the rise of Trump) are not going to go away, and neither are those voters. Both parties must refocus on the concerns of the average American and not their rich and powerful supporters if they are to regain some level of legitimacy in the eyes of the average American voter. As bad as Trump is, worse could follow.

Uq8Zzjab6d

"'Nobody comes down here and tells Alabamians what to do,' said Mr Bannon, a Virginian, speaking after a Texan and several Midwesterners."

^That is a great sentence, as well as the photo used for this piece (they look like a bunch of creeps).

If indeed they hire Jewish and non-Jewish lawyers, as awkward as their assertion sounds, doesn't that count for something? I mean, they don't appear to discriminate in hiring on the basis of race or religion. I am not defending them on anything else. But on this one issue, perhaps we should be less inclined to attack? Would you be more "comfortable" if they did not hire Jewish lawyers? Would they appear more "correct" to you? Do you hire Jews?

BHARAT-

Shameful lot - these whites of Alabama.y still voted in droves for a pedophile.
They still try and dis-clude blacks from the electoral roll

MySetDancer in reply to BHARAT-

While I am not favorably disposed to Moore, lets remember that these are only allegations and no proof has been provided, and no charges have been filed. The women were quiet until just before an election, and then they all speak up? I understand the issues quite well, but simply accepting the word of the women in the absence of any other evidence suggests an existing bias. If they wish to press charges and begin the legal process, then fine. They should. Otherwise, "he said, she said."
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There is absolutely nothing preventing any legal adult from registering to vote in Alabama, or indeed any state. I know this is not politically correct, but really. Even if a State ID were required (which it is not,) one has to wonder how difficult it is for people to get down to the DMV and get one. How many years does it take a normal person to do that? 10 years? 5 years? 2 years? Most of us visit the DMV and get a license/ID as a normal course of events. It really is not exclusionary. It isn't.

jouris in reply to MySetDancer

There is absolutely nothing preventing any legal adult from registering to vote in Alabama, or indeed any state.
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Of course, if the only place within a couple hours travel where you can register is only open one day a month. During normal working hours. It may not actually prevent people from registering, but it makes it massively inconvenient. And if you're too poor to own a car, you probably don't sacrifice the wages to get one.
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You are correct, it isn't quite exclusionary. Especially if you ignore the detail that somehow the places where the DMV hours are so amazingly restricted only seem to be the places where "those people" live. And, if you believe the words of those in the state government who set it up, that absolutely was deliberate -- that is, it was precisely intended to be exclusionary.

MySetDancer in reply to jouris

"Of course, if the only place within a couple hours travel where you can register is only open one day a month." Sure. But can you name a place where this is the case? People find their way to the DMV to get their driver's license. And if there needs to be some changes to facilitate this process, I am all for it. But really, for the vast majority of people of all colors and creeds, the DMV really is an accessible if unpleasant experience. This issue has been so overblown that it I am quite tired of it. Year after year, people push-back against voter id laws, but what were all the imaginary people who have not found the time to go to the DMV been doing? Really. Stop by and get your ID and all will be well. Churches and civic groups and even Uber can assist in getting those without transportation to the DMV. It really isn't that difficult. And as for those who are trying to exclude certain voters, getting the ID eliminates the debate entirely so we can move-on to the actual voting.

Best regards.

CaptainRon in reply to MySetDancer

How difficult is it to get to the DMV when you don't have a car, have two jobs and can't take off work to get there? How difficult is it to get an out of state birth certificate when the records may or may not be available and are costly to attain? Why is it that a state issued student ID isn't sufficient to get one but a concealed permit is?

jouris in reply to MySetDancer

Allow me to commend to your attention this article from AL.com (a news organization which has been active in Alabama since the 1830s, not some coastal elite publication).
http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/2015/09/alabama_sends_message_we_are...
"Every single county in which blacks make up more than 75 percent of registered voters will see their driver license office closed. Every one."
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Subtle, it wasn't. As a result of the outcry that resulted, they reopened the offices for a day or two a month. Which was acknowledged to be "better than closure, but...."

MySetDancer in reply to jouris

It appears that you are largely correct regarding Alabama, but it appears from further reading that the lawsuits resulted in the offices being opened, and more hours added. The offices closed were rural offices in low-density counties, and I can understand why the state would wish to close them. But things being what they are, lawsuits reversed the decision. DMV offices have been closed in my state as well, but there have been no allegations of racial bias, just cost savings. The good news is that Alabama County Registrar's offices are also equipped to issue State Photo Id's to Alabama residents, so while I suspect the closing of the offices had a racial component, the fact is that ID's are available in every county in Alabama. Don't take this as support for racially motivated decisions and I applaud the NAACP and other groups for suing the state. But ID's are available to anyone for free who walks into a registrar's office in every county in Alabama.

https://www.snopes.com/2015/10/01/alabama-drivers-license/

http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/2017/01/as_it_turns_out_bentleys_dri...

MySetDancer in reply to CaptainRon

The assumption that everyone fits the characterization you outline is probably not honest. As I have posted in this forum, it is possible, with some effort, to get a State ID. Some poor or backwards states, like Alabama, might make it a real pain, but I guess it depends on how important voting is to you. I would think that counties with 75%+ black voters would find a way to facilitate the process if it is truly important to the majority of residents. Every country is Alabama has a Registrar's Office where ID's can be obtained. A pain for sure, but don't you think that most people can find the time to visit the Office sometime in the next 4 years??? As I have stated elsewhere, states should make obtaining an official state ID as easy as is reasonable. But it will take some effort.
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Actually, obtaining a birth certificate is quite easy, even in Alabama. I have done a bit of genealogical research, and every state I researched has a web site to order them on-line. Surprisingly easy to do. They are always cheap.
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Student id's are not reliable and are not state-issued but issued by each school, state or private. They are almost meaningless since the information provided by the student is not verifiable . . .
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As for "concealed permits" I will leave that to you. They are very difficult to obtain in my state and have nothing to do with this issue.
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https://www.vitalchek.com/birth-certificates/alabama/alabama-vital-records

CaptainRon in reply to MySetDancer

You make a bunch of assumptions that many don't have access to. If they have two jobs and can't take time off getting to the registrar or DMV is going to be difficult. Not everyone has access to the internet or know how to use them. You're trying to solve an issue that doesn't exist and its causing people not to be able to vote.

chinachip

It seems the president has Shot Himself in the Senator.
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Would RM have won had The D been a weee bit more amusing and charming with females, and waited until the day AFTER the election to lay into the pretty female G from NY?
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(a.) Yes
(b.) No
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Is it time for The Generals to sit down with The Man and chat, strictly metaphorically, of course, about, avoiding the C word, Special Military "Advisory" Operations?
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;-D

rewt66

"Their Senate majority is now down to one seat, and the prospect of losing the chamber in next year’s midterms now looms."
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If I recall correctly, Democrats face a very difficult Senate election landscape in 2018 - too many seats currently held by Democrats in states that Trump won. Now, true, Trump is proving himself to be much less popular than he was in 2016, so "states that went for Trump" may not be a fair measure of what to expect. But neither is this election, because of Roy Moore. He is a fatally flawed candidate. If the Republicans run reasonable candidates, they should expand their lead in the Senate.
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If Bannon creates primary challengers to senators who would win the general election, well, he and Trump will find that the Democrats who take those offices won't be *easier* to work with...

That's the thing though. Trumpism running rampant through the GOP means that all kinds of "fatally flawed" candidates will likely be nominated. So long as the Democrats can avoid exultant, idiotic overreach and not go full SJW on us, they should be golden. Then again, you should never underestimate the ability of the Democratic Party to shoot itself in the foot.

guest-nosliol

The losers of November '16 still still can't figure it out. It hasn't dawned on them yet that partisans of Trump aren't enamored of his personality, moral rectitude or intellectual prowess. They are drawn instead by a sense of national urgency to Trump's opposition to the swamp in DC, unbalanced neo-liberal trade agreements and progressive disdain for national identity.
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These losers have watched the initially juicy flow of the 'Russia collusion' narrative slowly straiten and turn into the sand of false news, even as the Senate begins to clamor against Mueller's manifestly partisan stacking of the deck against Trump and for Hillary. The irony escapes the losers that this diminution of the investigation into Trump matches exactly step by step the almost daily increase of Senate demands for investigation into the FBI's dereliction of duty in examining Uranium One, the Clinton Foundation and Hillary's criminal dissemination of classified emails.
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No amount of howling at the moon, snowflake aroma therapy or disdainful disregard for the truth will save the losers from the reality that for Trump partisans it is not about burning crosses or pussy grabbing or anything else except taking the country back from the fascist neo-libs and the degenerate progressives who are on the high road to destroying America. Moore and Jones will have become just another comedy team from the past when Trump wins in '18 and '20 on the basis of draining the swamp, procuring truly equitable trade deals, buttressing a growing economy, and exclusion of undesirable immigrants.
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And that is exactly what we hired him to do.

CaptainRon in reply to guest-nosliol

So much fail. How could they be enamored of his moral rectitude or intellectual prowess when he has none. If you still believe a guy that appointed so many billionaires to his administration and just gave them and corporations a huge tax break while increasing the taxes for the middle and lower incomes is going to drain the swamp, I have some swamp land I want to sell you. You talk of facist neo-libs while ignoring that our leader is sowing doubt in our media and setting people against each other based on class, skin color and any number of other factors, right out of the Nazi playbook. You say Mueller is stacking his team while only one member was found to be involved in partisan activities and was removed immediately. False news seems to be any news that sheds Trump in a negative light.

guest-ilniawn in reply to guest-nosliol

Mueller has obtained two guilty pleas, two more than all the Hilary investigations combined. Mueller has yet to show his cards but the charges in these pleas suggest he has obtained some leverage into actions that are "destroying America." Be patient, the old swamp has been disrupted and the new one may soon be.
And maybe you could cut down on the name calling—it makes it hard to have a conversation.

MySetDancer in reply to guest-nosliol

As a registered Republican who voted against Trump, I think you overestimate Trump's chances of winning the next election. I suspect a greater number of Republican will be open to voting for the Democratic nominee as long as he/she is centrist and not too dirty. I know several Republican who regret voting for Trump, and I suspect that more will come around in 3 years as Trump continues to alienate more Republicans. As poor and middle class Republicans lose their healthcare and have their taxes increase while watching the rich receive tax reductions, the entire political atmosphere is going to change. The good news is that the midterm election is coming soon, and that may change everything. I hope so.
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Best regards.

Jerry Atrick in reply to guest-nosliol

Trump appointee once removed Rod Rosenstein appointed Mueller not to investigate Clinton or Uranium One but to examine Russian influence on the election. Mueller is simply doing his job; contending it is "manifestly partisan stacking of the deck against Trump and for Hillary" is truly paranoid. There's a lot of that going on these days. When Donald appoints someone they are "great, the best, great guy" etc. Then when they prove to be objective, not to be sycophants and yes-men/women, they are reviled.

Anyways, enjoy your supersized morning Kool-Aid.

guest-iijnmia in reply to guest-nosliol

Donald Trump has ALREADY done more damage to the United States in the arena of foreign policy than any president in the last 40 years. In the legislative arena, he's done nothing. Executive orders and appointment of judges. That's it. And we haven't even had a crisis yet. He flunks on disaster relief, especially in Puerto Rico. The degenerates are the pedophiles, pussy grabbers and Nazi wannabes that Trump has encouraged.

Draining the swamp? Please. Trump has raised the level of the dam and he's adding water and planting cattails. The growing economy? That's happening IN SPITE OF Trump.

sfkauder in reply to guest-iijnmia

Actually the executive orders and the appointment of judges have been quite good, Obama created a judiciary that completely ignores the law and constitution (look at the 9th Circuit), the Trump judges will help offset that. Puerto Rico's chronic political corruption and wastefulness goes way beyond any disaster relief issues. And, Tax Reform is a great plus -- and sorry if it focuses on the 10% of the taxpayers who pay 70% of taxes. Sorry that you are unwilling to give Trump at least some credit for the economy and the stock market (which most analysts attribute to support of the tax plan).

guest-nosliol in reply to guest-iijnmia

You don't say what the damage in foreign policy is that Trump has done so I can't really accept your word for it. Also, Trump isn't encouraging the 'pedophiles, pussy grabbers and Nazi wannabes', they are all getting outed and reviled. He said he would drain the swamp, but he didn't know it would include sexual misconduct. I think this guy Trump is a genius who really doesn't understand the full extent of the power he has tapped into. But he is riding it like a champion. You may think he's hurting the economy but I fail to find evidence of it. Even TE says he's good for it. Where's your argument to the contrary?

guest-nosliol in reply to guest-ilniawn

I often consider what I am doing with using names like 'rats for Democrats. But the name seems to fit the activity. I am waiting for someone to tell me what is so terrible about being a snowflake, other than being an infantile brainwashed SJW. Oh, yes, degenerate progressive. The shoe fits. Screw good intentions, I won't stop calling idiots idiots until they stop acting like idiots.
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Mueller has appointed attorneys to investigate Uranium One based on Russian interference with out election. But the attorneys have all evinced bias loud and clear, Senators are taking umbrage and that says something, considering how much the RINOs hate Trump. Two convictions after about a year of digging? Small potatoes. Of course the shoe will drop a month before the next elections. But it will be a baby bootie and everyone will wrinkle their foreheads and say so what.
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The MSM is destroying its stock in trade, its credibility in its obscene effort to false-news Trump out of office. They need a big comeuppance. So why talk nice when the bastards are working for those that hate me?

guest-ajiaoela

The premeditated attack on Roy Moore; the portraying of Judge Moore as a pedophile, a "child molester" by dems and "Repubs" was dirty politics at its best. This doesn't bode well for democracy and indicates that it is all going to get dirtier in coming elections. Truly talented people will want to earn their living in the private sector and not as politicians in the public sector. where the accusations alone can destroy them and their families. Mud is "product" for American Media who never washes its hands and tells the best truth that money can buy. .

CaptainRon in reply to guest-ajiaoela

Nobody every accused Roy Moore of being a truly talented candidate. The paper that published the information received what it investigated to be credible information and you have no evidence of premeditation. What you propose is a whitewashing.

guest-iijnmia in reply to guest-ajiaoela

Was he banned from the mall or not? Was he accused by Democrats? No, he was accused by lifelong Republicans. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck....it's probably a duck. And that's without even looking a Moore's "charity" that paid him most of the contributions AND his tax irregularities.

You'd probably suggest that all of his spouting against the later amendments to the Constitution and about how things were so much better when we had slavery.

Despicable perverted racist bigot is a description that fits Roy Moore to a T.